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Post 31 written Jan 2, 2016 at 10:47
Damn, you're a hard man to please. You found it at least better than the prequels? I think that's the key thing here. No sequel is ever going to live up to the first three. I think it was Attack of the Clones, at times that movie looked like a cartoon because of all the CGI going on.

You've got the spin off Rogue One to look forward to next year.
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Post 32 written Jan 3, 2016 at 02:39
Modified:  Jan 3, 2016 at 02:50
Damn, you're a hard man to please. You found it at least better than the prequels? I think that's the key thing here. No sequel is ever going to live up to the first three. I think it was Attack of the Clones, at times that movie looked like a cartoon because of all the CGI going on.

Well... in the LOOK of the film, it was most definitely way better than the prequels. Even though there was CGI for some things, it felt a lot more physical and "real" than those for the reason you mention. The director had said before starting shooting that they'd rely a lot more on physical sets to bring that old feeling back and they certainly did nail that part at least.

As far as storyline, plot points/twists, and developed characters you care about, then I'm sorry but no, all three of the prequels were actually way, WAY better than this last one in that regard. And that's not speaking as a disappointed fan, it's just the only rational conclusion when comparing the movies side by side. You at least cared about how the story would develop in the prequels, you really don't in this one, at least I didn't. Not because it's a "bad story" but because it's repetitive. We've already seen it.

The problem I think is that Disney seems to have been so afraid of scaring the fans away by including any creative weird new stuff, that they simply avoided being creative all together and just drew a paint-by-numbers blueprint based on what they assumed fans liked most about the old films.

Of course there are a few new details such as the weirdo light sabre, and of course the ships aren't entirely spot on identical either (although with the old Falcon, X-wings and Tie Fighters, they actually mostly are) but the movie is basically A New Hope remade, with random tidbits thrown in from the other five for nostalgia and fan service.

Or how does this storyline sound (I've left anything I'd consider a spoiler out but don't read it if you want to make sure you don't know anything at all about the storyline, I guess):

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A seemingly orphaned youngster with unknown parents (but strong in the force!) is stuck on a desert planet, bored and looking wistfully at the horizon longing for adventure. The person has a red junky hovercraft vehicle to travel around in, likes collecting junk and fixing things up, natural talent for tinkering and piloting, gets a cute little blippy-bloppy droid companion, that first has to be rescued from scrap collectors and later on proves to contain hidden messages/maps to places and people of great importance to the ongoing power struggles on a galactical scale. The film of course starts with us getting to see these important plans being hidden in said droid by said important person.

An old ship takes the person (along with new found companion) off of the desert planet at just the last second as they're being pursued by imperial storm troopers. Oh hey look it just happens to literally be the Millenium Falcon that got them out of this exactly identical mess this time, too!

Eventually their travels bring them in the middle of the rebellion vs imperial war (although they're called the "resistance" and the "first order" now. huge difference!) where the evil guys have built a big planet sized super weapon space station (but don't be fooled into thinking it's simply a "Death Star III"! This time it's: "Star Killer Base"!)

The death... uh, Star Killer Base is used to blow up some innocent planets (who I don't even think had a name this time or anybody important connected to them, but who cares what they are, they're innocent anyway!) just to show how evil the evil guys are, and then it promptly has to be destroyed by flying in over its surface with X-wings and bombing a very small target at its center that sets off a chain reaction. Oh, did I mention its protective power shield has to be disabled by a manned surface attack to a small power station by our heroes first? Where of course there is some serious trouble waiting for them.

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Does any of this possibly sound the least bit familiar, like maybe we've seen it before?

And yes there ARE a few plot twists and more significant events in the film that I've left out to not spoil them, not to mention there's a lot more going on in the film than the above too since it's pretty long, but really... nothing is going to surprise you in this film anyway, everything that happens you'll see coming a mile away before it eventually plays out on the screen. And then the film is over. And it feels... very forgettable.

I quite honestly can't think of a reason why I'd want to watch this one again. There's really not a single scene I particularly care to see again, nothing I care to analyze deeper or even rewatch simply because it looked cool, and that's saying a lot for me at least. First time I felt that way about a Star Wars film.

You've got the spin off Rogue One to look forward to next year.

Yes I actually only just recently learned about that one, should be interesting! Also I'm looking forward to the late but long awaited sequel to Independence Day as well on a sci-fi-related note.
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Post 33 written Jan 3, 2016 at 19:28
Yeah, sounds like the synopsis for the first star wars movie. It's at 94% on rotton tomatoes. Critic reviews are much more positive than for the prequels.

What did you think of the two new lead actors?

Were there any funny parts? Like any funny lines from C3PO?

Also I'm looking forward to the late but long awaited sequel to Independence Day as well on a sci-fi-related note.

Oh, yeah, the trailer looked great. Roland Emerich is a great director when it comes to destroying cities.
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Post 34 written Jan 6, 2016 at 11:25
I liked the lead characters fairly well. Some people have criticised that the black guy was only there for comic relief effects and I suppose there's a certain point to that, there were a few things he did that I thought didn't quite work or were out of place but overall he felt very acceptable in his sort of sidekick role.

The girl also is definitely more than acceptable as a new main protagonist, definitely refreshing to see a female play the part, although I felt her acting was a bit "off" in this movie. It seemed she was either over or under acting a lot of the time in relation to what was going on in the scene, but that's being pretty picky and nothing most people would probably think of anyway.

Funny parts there definitely were, there were a few jokes that felt very forced that literally noone laughed at, but there were also some genuinely funny scenes that did deserve a slight giggle here and there.

I'm not necessarily a huge fan of the humourous aspects and a lot of people have criticised the movie for them in their reviews, just as they did with Jar-Jar, but really looking back on the three oldest movies that's really how Star Wars has always been so I've never had a problem accepting it. People who complain that there's too much comedy in newer movies seem to have forgotten things like how Yoda acted going through Lukes stuff when they first met, not to mention the ewoks and all the robot interactions etc.

I still hated Jar-Jar passionately as a character though, and there wasn't anything I disliked that strongly in this movie. I was just sad to see it feel so flat and kind of mostly boring, in spite of its many action scenes.
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Post 35 written Jan 9, 2016 at 17:19
I think you're just too old for the series now and it all just doesn't have the same magical effect on you as it did when you were a young lad. They had to create a new story for the trilogy - it can't be about Vader now so there has to be a new bad guy.
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Post 36 written Jan 29, 2016 at 00:31
Yeah it's just, they're still kinda forcing it to be about Vader. Sorta kinda.

Anyway yeah fair point probably about the age, I think it's a little bit the same with the Alien and Predator franchises. I'm viewing those movies as an adult today and maybe if I was viewing them as a child, I may have been able to accept more of the things I have a hard time with today.

Well, except Prometheus. The logic flaws in that one would have bugged me when I was 10. But it's probably still definitely true for the Star Wars series to some extent.
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Post 37 written Feb 2, 2016 at 11:44
Well, except Prometheus. The logic flaws in that one would have bugged me when I was 10.

Haha that was good.
I'm quite sure I would enjoy first AvP if I saw it as a 10 year old, especially if I hadn't seen Alien and Predator prior to that. Unfortunately for that movie I was much older when I saw it.
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Post 38 written Mar 25, 2016 at 14:48
Well, VenomX, I saw the movie last night and fully agree with what you said. I don't think it's a bad movie - but as with the prequels, I'm not going to be in any hurry to watch it again. It's pretty forgettable. Effects are very good. I wish they'd have been more random creatures other than that tentacle thing. And C3PO hardly appears. I didn't find the movie particularly funny at all. The one little ray of light was the lead girl Daisy Ridley. I thought she was pretty good.
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Post 39 written Mar 27, 2016 at 22:03
Modified:  Mar 27, 2016 at 22:05
Sounds like my assessment wasn't too far off then if you feel the same way.

The thing is, given the director, the visual effects skills involved, and all of the actors they hired, there really was some great potential. I think if they had only dared be a little more creative with the script and not just made it virtually a copy of the original storyline, some magic could have really happened there.

I guess there was at least the introduction of that yellow goggle lady, whose name I've already forgotten, in her temple ruins bar or whatever it was she ran. I wasn't too excited about how she was portrayed on screen, but she seemed to have a slightly interesting backstory anyway that could maybe be cool if it was explored further.

Anyway, I am hoping that now that they've spent the first film on fan service, they will maybe dare to take things in a more stimulating and interesting direction in the next one. I did like Daisy Ridley as well and it should be interesting to see her continue the story with Luke. I just hope he doesn't get thrown in the garbage bin quite as quickly and pointlessly as Han Solo did.
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Post 40 written Mar 29, 2016 at 21:16
I didn't expect Han Solo to have such a pivotal role in the movie and I never thought they'd kill him off. I managed to miss that spoiler. Would it really have made any difference had Solo, Leia and Luke not been in the movie? The latter two, I really don't think you'd have missed.

I actually preferred that Kylo Ren with his mask on. I kinda liked Darth Maul and General Grievous better as bad guys.

Did you know that Daisy Ridley has been eyed for the Lara Croft role in a new Tomb Raider movie? I don't know if she has the right sex appeal for that role. She's no Angelina Jolie.
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