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  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 25 written Oct 24, 2016 at 11:03
Modified:  Oct 24, 2016 at 11:04
I give up! Your lack of compassion is astounding. As established, that there is a minority who commit crimes is true. Just like there is a minority of people born in UK commit crimes. And if they can't be sent back, they should be punished within the law like anyone else. But how you and others genuinely can't consider helping refugees, given what a refugee has to run from, is beyond me.

Here are some quotes that are relevant to the things you said earlier from this article that I would really love you to read in its entirety (its all sarcastic btw):

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/refugee-children-calaid-jungle-dental-test-age-older-migrants-uk-mark-steel-a7372156.html

"When we agreed to let children in, these weren’t the ones we ordered. We were expecting a cute four-year-old with a leg missing and a broken teddy. What’s the point in saving someone’s life if they turn out to be 23 and wearing a hood? Even the children we’ve accepted in the past have swindled us, because they might have looked like little cherubs at the time but they’ve gone on to become 25, 31 or, in some cases, 36 years of age. How much longer are we going to be taken for mugs like this?"

"One complaint in some newspapers this week has been that “many of the refugees don’t have identification papers”. That’s enough to make anyone suspicious. Surely, before setting off on a long journey on a rickety boat to flee from a gas attack, it makes sense to pop down to TK Maxx to get a waterproof jacket with plenty of pockets to keep your driving licence, library card and three recent electricity bills safe and dry. That’s the first rule if you’re heading off for a weekend break in the Lake District, so there’s no excuse if you’re taking a journey across the Mediterranean in a wardrobe."

"It’s time we all learned to act properly towards anyone in need. If we see someone having a heart attack, it’s very important to act quickly and check they’re not feigning it as a ruse to get free biscuits at the cardiac unit. If an elderly person falls down the stairs, search their house for any clues they might be trying to swindle an insurance claim.

Because when you look back at history, at the Huguenots fleeing France or the Jews escaping Germany, the people remembered with pride are those that had the courage to say: “Some of them are over 18 – send them back, the bastards.”



  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 23 written Oct 20, 2016 at 05:55
Modified:  Oct 20, 2016 at 05:55
That's never going to happen. We have it with Ireland and Northern Ireland but you don't really have a choice there. I understand the principal of freedom of movement if the country is connected by land but I don't see how you can allow somebody from somewhere in the other side of the world to just walk in.

I can't see why it couldn't happen. They arrive by flight, apply for national insurance number, and can immediately start working. Australia and NZ already are open with each other. Just because there is a larger physical distance I see no problem, all of the countries have similar amounts of wealth, opportunity and culture. However, where I do foresee a problem is the marked rise in xenophobia in UK, I can imagine people still being against it just because 'they're not British'.


Oh, in that regard, age is irrelevant. If they made it across two continents, they're not exactly helpless. They're not really alone, they have people with them. For France, either send them back to where they came from or process them in their country. A refugee is a migrant is a refugee, regardless of race, age, religion etc. There is no difference to me.

You know, I actually worry for people like you and Hicks because if you were in charge of this country, you would happily open the gates and let everybody in regardless of the consequences. All people like you are really doing is fuelling the far right.

That sounds very worrying to me. Age is irrelevant...  You're also absolutely wrong by the way, a refugee is not a migrant:

Refugee:

   has proven to the authorities that they would be at risk if returned to their home country
   has had their claim for asylum accepted by the government
   can now stay here either long-term or indefinitely.

Economic migrant:

   has moved to another country to work
   could be legally or illegally resident, depending on how they entered the country
   may or may not have a legal work permit.

Source - http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures

Ha, I very much worry for people like you. Or rather, I worry about your views. I actually wouldn't just throw the doors open, I would argue for a co-ordinated international effort to help the current refugees and consider imposing stringent appropriate sanctions (and pressure other countries to do the same) on the countries from where refugees are coming from if the local government is at fault.  I do think that refugees who commit severe crimes like those mentioned earlier in this thread (rape, violence etc) should immediately be deported. But everyone else should be helped as much as possible.


People who were born and live in the UK. I'm sorry but we have priority here. This is our country.

Following on from the above, this is where we 100% differ. I can't understand the thinking that where someone is born makes them more or less important than someone born somewhere else. I hope for a future without borders where this tribe-like thinking becomes a thing of the past. Which is undoubtedly the greatest aspect I will miss from the EU project. To put it more eloquently:

"In terms of the principle, free movement of people ought to be a no brainer for entire progressive political spectrum – far beyond the radical left for whom it is a first step to a borderless world. At root, what it represents inside the EU is the creation, through the mixing of people, families and lives, the creation of a lived identity that stretches beyond fractious national frontiers. By opening up the world as a place to freely live and share ideas, it expands the horizons of human potential. The right to live where you want – like the right to love who want, dress how you want, or say what you want – is an extension of human freedom and progress which the left has defended." - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/10/lefts-reasons-ditching-freedom-movement-are-profoundly-wrong


There are hundreds of other countries along the way they could settle in you know. I think you need to ask yourself why they're so intent on reaching us when they could settle in France, or even the countries that have opened their arms to them like Sweden and Germany.

Ah, of course, they must be coming to the UK to extort the local system! They must be just a bunch of thieves looking to grab what they can... There could be dozens of reasons why they choose UK over other countries (some countries have terrible anti-migrant laws or local groups for example). But all I am concerned about is they they're a person fleeing their homeland because they are at risk if they stay there. See above on the red cross link.


  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 21 written Oct 8, 2016 at 10:36
Let's be honest, how likely is it you're going to do volunteer work in the EU. Countries in the EU have a pretty high standard of living compared to say, Africa. There are people all over the world doing volunteer work. You don't need to be in the EU to do any of that. You keep going on about the Commonwealth. Indeed, there is actually a world outside the EU. It just feels to me you can't see the forest for the trees.

I was actually talking about voluntary work through organisations like WOOF; http://wwoofinternational.org/

Right now there are no open borders with any other non-UK countries. A freedom of movement for the commonwealth is just a second-best hope.

Well, France is in a state of siege at the moment. On the last terrorist attack, the president said that terrorist attacks are something the French people have to get used to. What!? It most certainly is not. It's because of this freedom of movement why this is happening. If you called a vote now, they would vote to leave the EU too. As for immigration, they're part of the same problem. France can't really stop them unless they reinforce border controls. I'm telling you Ian, the EU is on the verge of collapse. They keep insisting on freedom of movement but haven't a clue how to solve the migrant/terrorist crisis. As is stands, you can't unless you leave the EU. Thank Jiminy, we're on an island surrounded by water.

I was referring to the refugee children, I want to know what you think should become of them? Do you really not care what happens to the refugess at all?

I doubt the EU will collapse. I do think something needs to be done about the terrorist problem, of course, although a lot of the terrorists aren't from outside the EU, but are radicalized individuals from within the EU. Or would you suggest western countries should start deporting all Muslims?

On a personal level, I'd be sad of course if you, Hicks or VenomX suddenly popped your clogs. On a general level, I care about the standard of living that we're facing in this country. That is why we pay our taxes afterall. If it's something that directly affects us, I care. But I'm not going to start crying every time there's a crisis in Timbuktu. The fact is people are dying every second of every day every where. The world doesn't stop just because of that. That vast majority of us are pretty selfish and can't really see that far outside of our own personal bubble.

When you said directly affects us, does us refer to simply the people of UK? Or England?

Of course people die every day. But I think its rather normal to be concerned for the suffering of others, and even more so if those people turn to us for help.


  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 19 written Oct 5, 2016 at 05:39
Modified:  Oct 5, 2016 at 05:42
I can't believe what I'm hearing. You'd actually want to see the UK break up over this? I don't get it. What exactly do you think you can get in the EU that you won't get out of it? And that is highly unlikely to ever happen. They had the vote, they voted to remain in the UK for better or worse. Can't keep calling for a referendum just because you don't like the result.

If we hard brexit, I can completely see why any country/group of people in the UK would want to leave to re-joining the EU. Leaving the EU will have such a profound impact that I totally think Scotland (or like I said anywhere else in the UK) have the right to have a referendum.

The main thing I personally would benefit from being in the EU is the open borders, it would be much more difficult (or impossible) with closed borders to casually go and teach or do casual voluntary work. People from countries outside the EU who want to just do casual work/volunteering in the EU are generally subjected to limiting work visas. I do see some benefits to leaving the EU in some ways, but like I've said before on galaxy, I'd only be comfortable leaving the EU with a very different type of government.

The answer is simple. It's France's problem. Not ours. They're the ones who should be stopping them. They've only just announced that they're removing it or doing something with it. These refugees should be processed in the first country they get to - they should never even make it as far as France in the first place.

So to take this further, what do you think France should do? Or do you not care?

Do you ever feel like you're just a little candle in a huge storm? Your way of thinking would have been applauded a few years ago. Now, the tides have turned. Now, the anti-immigration sentiment is absolutely surging across here and the EU. You have what I like to call a superman complex. You want to help everybody but in reality they're not your problem.

Not at all, an awful lot of people voted to stay in EU. Outside of UK, there are some countries where the majority of the population may want to leave and there are some that do not. Although there is increased talk of other exits from nationalistic parties, I don't know if one could really say that the tide has turned. Look at the evidence yourself; https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/frexit-nexit-or-oexit-who-will-be-next-to-leave-the-eu

A superman complex?! A feel this is very much moving away from a debate and more toward name-calling.  But I'll try with a dignified response. You say I want to help everybody. I ask you who do you want to help? How far does your empathy for other human beings extend? Only for those born in the UK? Or only England? Or only your county? Or only your town? Or only yourself? Although I've accepted throughout this debate that the refugee problem is complicated with no easy answers, I struggle to understand palming off the suffering of other human beings as not my problem.

I think the following article voices illustrates my main query, but the introduction alone will suffice if you don't wish to reach the whole thing;

""Men are running behind a truck, trying to jump up and grab on to it, so they can hitch an illegal lift into Britain. It's a self-evidently dangerous game. Like the "super-tramps" in Depression-era America who jumped on and off moving goods trains to get from city to city, these migrants are risking life and limb in search of a better life, or at least another place to be poor in.

Eighty years on, who fails to feel sympathy for the victims of economic and political world turmoil in the 1930s who left their homes or were driven to the adventurous lifestyle described by WH Davies in his Autobiography of a Super-Tramp? Perhaps one day these truck-jumpers will be celebrated as heroes or mourned as victims. But right now there is little compassion for those who come across a continent or a world in search of a life in Britain: no curiosity about motives, no pity for need, no recognition of potential.

Why are the nerves of empathy severed when it comes to immigration?"" - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/02/nerves-empathy-severed-immigration-daily-mail


  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 17 written Oct 3, 2016 at 11:17
I thought you'd be busy planning your escape? Didn't you say in the event of a Brexit vote, you would leave the country?

I have some ideas in the pipeline A lot of it depends if we hard brexit (which it looks like we will), if so I'm seriously considering moving to Scotland in the hope they go independent and re-join the EU, or consider another country entirely, like New Zealand, despite being small they have none of this toxic hate for immigrants and refugess. Also keeping an eye on the progress of The Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organisation; http://www.cfmo.org/

That's initially what our government said. Only the strong make it to our borders so they agreed to take in refugees from the camps in those countries. Then, of course, the lefties screamed that there was innocent children in the Calais Jungle. "Will please somebody think of the children!" So the government backtracked and said they will house like 20,000 kids.

So what do you think we should do with the refugees at Calais, in particular the kids?

God, it absolutely sickens me. When I go to central Leeds, I see homeless people on the street begging for money. But that doesn't matter. As long as you're a refugee, you can come here, get a nice comfortable house for free, live on benefits YET there is British kids having to live in the gutter. And you really wonder Ian, why we voted to leave the EU? Seriously?[/qupte]

Well Mike, I know all too well about the madness of homelessness in the UK, I worked in a shelter when I was younger. And as much as I'd like to see a lot more being done for the homeless, I don't distinguish from those who are homeless born in the UK as being of more worth than the homeless from any other country. Also, keep in mind that the refugee crisis is unprecedented, I don't like it but western governments had to make a decision as the problem was quite literally on their doorstep. Like I said I don't like it but homelessness gets brushed away under the carpet so to speak.



  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 15 written Sep 30, 2016 at 11:39
Hey there, long time, welcome back to Freaks!  

I wouldn't say the opinion is "very" different to my own, as I also don't feel all refugees seeking help should be denied just because of a few rotten apples in the basket. However, I do think it's a pretty mindbogglingly ineffective form of help to basically import large parts of far away countries populations all the way up to northern Europe to house them here, especially since it's currently wearing down particularly our economy to where anything from railroads and general infrastructure to police forces and hospitals are now failing to a very noticable degree due to lack of resources and funds.

I really do think all the money we spend on taking 1 refugee here would be better spent helping 10 or more refugees closer to their original home lands, especially since it tends to be the stronger and more well off younger males who come here, leaving the truly poor and helpless, and the women and the children, behind.

As you point out, I just think there has to be a better long term solution to fixing the problems at home so ALL the people who live in the conflicted countries could be "saved", rather than just the rather large handful that makes it all the way up here. But it's certainly not an easy problem either way you look at it.

Hello there! Thank you, I'm really glad to be here, nice to be chatting to the old crew!

I'm glad my opinion isn't so different. That is an interesting point on the economic stress. I suppose it could be resolved by funding to those countries that are hit hardest from the refugee crisis. The funding could come from the EU or WTO.

But, yes, I don't think its a feasible long-term solution. Like you say, the way it is at the moment it doesn't help all those in crisis. I guess a counter-argument (for now) is that these people are fleeing to the west as neighboring areas might not help them, either the countries refuse to or there is similar levels of persecution and danger. I have to admit I don't know all the ins and outs.

It certainly is no easy problem. I also gather that some of the blame for the crisis can be put on some of the Wests leaders. We've directly gone to war/joined in wars in some of the countries there or sold arms out there.


  Topic:   Immigration
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Post 13 written Sep 28, 2016 at 11:48
As Darkness knows I have very different opinions to you three! I'm not here to argue that these acts described haven't happened, but I don't think a percentage of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa committing these acts mean we should conclude that all immigrants should be denied access.

Most of EU's external immigrants are refugees fleeing persecution and terror - https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees It is a crisis and these are people needing to be helped. Like I've said, I'm not denying that a percentage are committing terrible acts, and such people need to be sent to jail or sent out of the country. But for the rest these are simply people needing help. I find it abhorrent to think every refugee seeking help should be denied.

However, accepting refugees is only a short-term solution. Something long-term has to be done to stop these people needing to flee their homelands in the first place.

Keep in mind the danger of arguing that a lot of social problems in the west are as a result of immigrants. This thinking has caused a marked increase in hate crime towards immigrants of all kinds in the UK, with the Polish being attacked frequently - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/07/hate-surged-after-eu-referendum-police-figures-show


  Topic:   Shane Black\'s Predator Sequel
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Post 10 written Sep 28, 2016 at 11:18
I'm cautiously excited about this movie - Shane Black's directorial work has been really hit or miss for me, I loved Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, ended up (like many people) disliking Iron Man 3 over the twist, and couldn't finish The Nice Guys as I didn't find it funny, despite loving the concept. Some things I hear about this movie sound really promising (the detective angle for example) some terrible (kids being prominent). So very conflicted feelings as you can see!

And I certainly didn't feel Predators was an awful movie either by any extent. There were things I strongly disliked about it such as the whole mutated "improved" predator concept as well as how some things were visually portrayed but all on all it felt like a big step in a positive direction. I'll be glad to see if things continue down that road.

I quite agree, I thought Predators wasn't too bad at all, I certainly enjoyed it.

ADI are generally quite good if give them enough money but the studios never seem to invest enough money in them. They definitely got their act together with Wolf in Requiem.

Indeed, Wolf looked fine, not too concerned about ADI being involved, especially if this film does end up with a half-decent budget.


  Topic:   New Predator Movie - July 7, 2010.
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Post 11 written Apr 26, 2009 at 12:27
Thanks. Well, it's hard to say what the result will be.
However, after two AvP movies I'm starting to have some bad feelings about this upcoming movie.

Totally understandable given the AvP films, but I'm going to formulate my opinion when I see the real director, writer and trailer. Things could be looking good for this.


  Topic:   ahh school SUCKS!
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Post 84 written Mar 27, 2009 at 01:30
at the same time I find that hard to reconcile with my lack of belief in free will (I'm a determinist).

Yes, I'm not sure about the definition of a determinist but I think I know where you're coming from. In a way, you might say that our mind is a quite logical machinery deep down based on cause and effect, learned experiences etc and it's mostly its flow of behavioural-affecting hormones and such that gives the illusion that we sometimes act completely random and unpredictable. It's just too complex and multi-faceted of a process to ever be properly predictable by the human psyche.

But, we're still always affected by a zillion little things in the world around us though (as well as our own introspective ponderings too) so people can still certainly change, and be influenced to make choices differently than we used to, so I don't know what exactly you have a hard time reconciling with the concept of redemption.

Free will is an interesting concept though, I'm not very educated in philosophical teachings on it but I've spent quite a few years programming AI / ALife type systems and when you try to teach computers to think, it really brings up some interesting parallels to how we people think, learn, and behave. We're much more complicated than a simple computer program, sure, but other than the level of complexity, not really so different after all.

Exactly, I believe its both nature and nurture, as to how much of each I don't think we'll ever know. But I do think that it is those two factors that make us and everything around us who we are, not this mystical intuition-pumping idea of free will.


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