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Young blood
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Post 11 written Dec 29, 2007 at 04:55
Modified:  Dec 29, 2007 at 05:02
Yea...I'm all for minor spelling and grammar errors but I couldn't understand a word you said...could you try to be a bit more clear?


Ok after watching the review your post is a bit clearer...I think he was unduly harsh personally.  But it's like he said "Pretend the humans aren't there".  That's exactly what I did.  Do you know what I was thinking while the humans were talking?  "Let's see, which one of them is going to die next?  That one?  THAT one?  OH maybe THAT one!".  Get what I'm saying?  HUMANS DON'T MATTER.  The action scenes were spot on and both Aliens and the Predator had some terrific fan service.  They even had "Get to the chopper!".  I mean COME ON.  I was the ONLY person in the theatre who laughed at that!

Unblooded
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Post 12 written Dec 30, 2007 at 19:49
Modified:  Dec 30, 2007 at 22:02
I'll give a short review.
(I'll try to remain unbiased, but I warn you: I like this film)

AVP-R is dark, when I say dark you are automatically thinking of lighting and you'd right, theres a lot of darkness in this film but the darkness I am thinking of is in the tone of the film; it's a solemn movie, the characters are automatically assaulted by tragedy from the get go; whether it's the father and son hunters or the police officer getting taken out by the Wolf (more on this beauty later) or even Ricky getting his ass kicked by Dale, this is not a happy movie. But neither is Alien, Aliens, Predator or any of the others in the series. There are of course lighter parts, afterall the Strause Brothers want us to enjoy the movie, but they are few and far between and almost all center around Kelly and her daughter. If you are expecting Alice In Wonderland, go away.

The cinematography is great, both the camerawork and the props are very well thought out and done, taking the scenes with the PredAlien as an example, she is kept in the dark which helps us to ignore the somewhat shoddy effects with her (the dreadlocks are ridiculous) and she is never in frame more than a few seconds, which really helps the character and the film, because it keeps her as an unknown, unlike her Alien kin who after 5 movies no longer hold the same dread or terror they did in the originals.

The Predator is amazing, from the first time you see him on the Homeworld, you know this guy is going to kick ass, his helmet and weapons are brilliantly made and his movements are on par with the original, the Wolf is the star of the show and he knows it, the ease with which he takes down the aliens reinforces the idea that he is an elite Alien Hunter, although he may be out of touch hunting humans, as he is snuck up on by a police officer (who the Wolf precedes to skin,which is rather confusing as he is supposed to be cleaning up the Aliens) and is completely bemused by the actions of Ricky when he shoots him, resulting in him falling down an elevator  shaft (although Ricky somewhat gets his comeuppance when an Alien stabs him with his tail). If I had one complaint about the Predator, it would be his "powerglove", which he uses to punch through the pavement, this looks cheap and tacky and ripped from the pages of a "Warhammer 40K" novel.

Pros:

+The Predator is back.
+The PredAlien is a throwback to the Alien
+Great special effects
+Great sound effects from both the Predator and Aliens
+Great pacing
+Great human characters

Cons:

-Length, it's a very short film
-Story is weak, little to no expansion is given to the human characters
-The ending is bad
-Theres too many homages to the original films

So all in all I enjoyed the film and I'll give it a 7/10.

Personal highlight:

The Wolf dropping into the crashed Predator ship
The Aliens scurrying on the ceiling of the sewers
Steven Pasqaule (Dallas)
CLOSED
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Post 13 written Dec 31, 2007 at 05:39
I'll give a short review.
(I'll try to remain unbiased, but I warn you: I like this film)

AVP-R is dark, when I say dark you are automatically thinking of lighting and you'd right, theres a lot of darkness in this film but the darkness I am thinking of is in the tone of the film; it's a solemn movie, the characters are automatically assaulted by tragedy from the get go; whether it's the father and son hunters or the police officer getting taken out by the Wolf (more on this beauty later) or even Ricky getting his ass kicked by Dale, this is not a happy movie. But neither is Alien, Aliens, Predator or any of the others in the series. There are of course lighter parts, afterall the Strause Brothers want us to enjoy the movie, but they are few and far between and almost all center around Kelly and her daughter. If you are expecting Alice In Wonderland, go away.

The cinematography is great, both the camerawork and the props are very well thought out and done, taking the scenes with the PredAlien as an example, she is kept in the dark which helps us to ignore the somewhat shoddy effects with her (the dreadlocks are ridiculous) and she is never in frame more than a few seconds, which really helps the character and the film, because it keeps her as an unknown, unlike her Alien kin who after 5 movies no longer hold the same dread or terror they did in the originals.

The Predator is amazing, from the first time you see him on the Homeworld, you know this guy is going to kick ass, his helmet and weapons are brilliantly made and his movements are on par with the original, the Wolf is the star of the show and he knows it, the ease with which he takes down the aliens reinforces the idea that he is an elite Alien Hunter, although he may be out of touch hunting humans, as he is snuck up on by a police officer (who the Wolf precedes to skin,which is rather confusing as he is supposed to be cleaning up the Aliens) and is completely bemused by the actions of Ricky when he shoots him, resulting in him falling down an elevator  shaft (although Ricky somewhat gets his comeuppance when an Alien stabs him with his tail). If I had one complaint about the Predator, it would be his "powerglove", which he uses to punch through the pavement, this looks cheap and tacky and ripped from the pages of a "Warhammer 40K" novel.

Pros:

+The Predator is back.
+The PredAlien is a throwback to the Alien
+Great special effects
+Great sound effects from both the Predator and Aliens
+Great pacing
+Great human characters

Cons:

-Length, it's a very short film
-Story is weak, little to no expansion is given to the human characters
-The ending is bad
-Theres too many homages to the original films

So all in all I enjoyed the film and I'll give it a 7/10.

Personal highlight:

The Wolf dropping into the crashed Predator ship
The Aliens scurrying on the ceiling of the sewers
Steven Pasqaule (Dallas)





Hey the AVPR directors cut will be 108 minutes long, because of all the new scenes it will have and only the theatrical version is short because its 94 minutes long.
Unblooded
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Post 14 written Dec 31, 2007 at 17:08
Well I didn't watch the Directors Cut...

The theatrical version is very short, but is helped by it's pacing.
Captain
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Post 15 written Jan 6, 2008 at 01:35
I'm not dead, but I'm back

I enjoyed this movie

It was rather dark, you couldn't get a very look at the PredAlien

I don't know about the Predator's face, it was better than AVP 1

Finally A CGI Chestie that made me happy
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Post 16 written Jan 20, 2008 at 00:12
Wow, I have never seen so much hate for a movie in my entire life, I was entertained by the movie because I didn't dwell on the negatives, I knew the negatives and so on, but I liked the movie, but its still not the AVP movie I want and I sure don't want this franchise to end on this one, maybe one day we might get it 3rd time lucky.  

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Post 17 written Jan 20, 2008 at 12:49
Allright, here follows my own, quite lengthy, review of this movie.

First off, I really have to say (all brown-nosing aside) that I sincerely thought the Strause brothers did a really good job directorially with this movie, a lot of the angles they choose, the effects and all that really does keep the movie fairly interesting, at least for the first half to two-thirds of it. Sure, it just can't compare to Ridley Scott's "Alien" but come on, this is from what I've understood their first attempt at doing a major feature film on their own. That taken into consideration, I'm predicting a brilliant future career for the brothers and they'll likely in 5-10 or so years time be making movies that'll manage to impress even the most hard-core critics of AvP-R, at least given that their projects get the budget they deserve/need.

What I felt they didn't do so good is, especially towards the end, the movie felt very chopped up, rushed, and hard to understand what was going on in any of the action scenes. I feel that the major problem here is not even so much short choppy cuts, but rather the camera doing way too many close-ups all the time. It should have been pulled back a bit at times for scale and to give a bigger picture of what's going on. The rushed feeling might be a lot due to being forced to cut so many minutes out that'll hopefully be made better in the DVD release (even a few extra seconds do a lot for pacing of a scene) but as somebody has stated, the theatrical should still of course "work" on its own as well. I also can't help but to second what most have said about it being way too dark. It was.

The big, big problem with this movie though, IMHO, is the shitty-ass idea of setting it on earth in the first place. This is a point both movies failed on (even though not as horribly in the first one due to it being set in a pyramid under ice) and I feel no matter what influence the brothers may have had on the final script, an Alien vs Predator movie based on the "war on earth" concept has to fail, and they do.

The reason it will fail is the Alien part of the franchises. Ridley started something off with an epic film that's grand, beautiful, eerie and majestic in a truly otherworldly creepy sort of way. The feeling in alien is a real bone-chiller (well, by those days standards) in everything from the brilliant initial build-up with the ancient derelict ship and hinted origins onto the whole crew being taken out one by one until you're left with loneliness, desperation and panic in a cold, empty spaceship with something frightening and truly alien possibly lurking around every corner until the very end.

Taking something like this to earth in a small-town setting will leave you with a parody at best. Gosh darn me, there's an alien in our back yard, isn't there? Oh look, there's an alien in little Timmys lunch box. Oh dear, there's an alien in the trunk of our car, what WILL we do? Let's run, shall we? It just doesn't work, and it never can. I know the Strauses said they really wanted to avoid making it ridiculous like aliens dancing in front of a McDonalds, but a big part of this movie still felt exactly that way for me (rubber suit guy climbing out of manhole anyone?), simply due to the setting - no amount of hiding the aliens in darkness is going to save that. It'll just create a film that's both too dark AND silly looking.

For the predator side of the story, earth is a great setting because they're all about coming to us, as nomadic hunters. With alien, the story is rather that humanitys greed and desire for an ultimate weapon got our fingers stuck in the cookie jar as a big monster suddenly taps on our shoulders. We messed with something we should have left alone, and now we're screwed. A predator blowing a hole in his own ship and spilling out a bunch of facehuggers to randomly start attacking homeless toothless hobos on earth doesn't quite live up to its legacy. It horribly cheapens the film, and when you start mixing in a genetic cross-breed of these two alien species in the middle as well, you've made a conscious choise to head for disaster, which this film does.

I believe that if the brothers had been hired to do a Predator 3 instead, we would have hordes of predator fans cheering (for an end result that would have been truely good) and the poor alien fans would be left unscarred. In this case, unfortunately, we get a film that really screws both franchises over and leaves us with something that for the most part only the younger predator-only fanboys can get overly excited about. The vast majority of those of us who grew up with these movies and saw most of them as they were gradually being released over the years, one by one, eagerly anticipating the next chapter in each franchise, are likely to be very saddened by where they have gone today. I know I am.

This is also coming from a person who has really ultimately hated the concept of an Alien vs Predator movie from the very start. It works in the games, and it works in the comics maybe, but I just don't feel that mixing the two on the big screen was ever, or will ever, be a good idea. Get us a decent AvP3 game and get Ridley started on a final chapter of the Alien saga instead. The Strauses would be a great pick for P3.

I don't blame the Strauses at all for this movie being a disappointment to me though, on the contrary I stand by my initial statement that I feel they did remarkably well for a first feature film, and I'll be keeping an eye open for any future projects of theirs. I just personally feel that both "AvP" and "AvP:R" are films that simply should have never been made. But then again, I feel similarly about for example "Alien: Resurrection" and I have to admit I cringed more in my seat when the newborn popped on screen, than I did at any point throughout AvP:R. But Resurrection had strong characters with strong acting and that "sci-fi feel", due to being set in a spaceship, that'll still keep you fairly interested. Anything "Alien" set on earth is going to suffer from lacking that.

All rambling aside, I feel the brothers ultimately did "sort of" deliver -- the Wolf and the homeworld shots DO make this a must-have in my DVD collection, and I'm also holding on to the hope that the longer edition can still make it more enjoyable -- but I feel the horrible script, the low budget, the poor acting (thinking mostly about homeless people and other B-grade characters here, not the leading girls and boys so much) and the very concept itself of Aliens, Predators and a Predalien together on earth, fails miserably.

I think the Strauses got screwed over by Fox with this deal almost as much as the rest of us fans did. I'm still not mentally ready to grade this movie, but it ends up on the bottom somewhere along with the first AvP and Resurrection. If the homeworld sequence is (from what I've understood) closer to the Strauses own vision of how things should be made, then Fox made a HUGE mistake by not giving them a much, much larger budget.
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Warrior
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Post 18 written Jan 20, 2008 at 13:19
I was thinking of writing a long review of this movie. But decided, a word with four letters would describe it better: S H I T

To bad, becuase the movie had its good moments and WOLF kicked ass, and there was alot of gore and violence from his side. But FOX ruined it all!!!


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Captain
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Post 19 written Jan 20, 2008 at 17:08
I think AVP and AVP-R should have been made, but not like this, not with FOX constantly messing around with everything, here's my review, it was a quick one, I might write a more in depth one soon.

After the very long wait and much anticipation I finally saw the movie, the story was, well 'there's aliens attacking people in our town, lets get out' that's about it.

I think the action was good but the aliens didn't seem like aliens, they just seemed like something that was in the way, it also felt like they merged two films in one, you had the people trying to escape and survive and then you had Wolf's adventure, which was probably the best parts of the film.

There wasn't any surprises for me, except when the Predalien pushes the alien away, but I even knew what was going to happen most of the time, but I guess it was my fault for seeing all those clips online.

There was way to much about the characters that I don't think anybody cared about, they had to much screen time, it was like TV soap featuring aliens and a predator, the acting wasn't as bad as I though it was going to be but the dialog was crap most of the time, probably the weirdest one is when sheriff Morales says to Dallas after they decided to separate 'I hope were both wrong' what does that mean, does he hope that they both die instead of one being right?

There was also to much references from the other movies, I didn't mind the ones like the Predator 2 cop sirens, the Aliens tracker noise on the monitors or when the marines screams 'its an ambush' but the ones like 'get to the chopper' and 'kill me I am here, kill me'

Besides all the bad dialog, week ass aliens, and other stuff, the biggest problem was the whole event itself, besides Yutani getting the Predator cannon, which wasn't as exciting as I thought it was going to be, and the military learning the existence of the aliens, these were the only bridge connecting there was, rendering the whole event pointless in a way.

After I left the theatre, my friend said 'for someone who has been waiting for this film for ages you sure don't look that bothered' but he was right, though I enjoyed the movie, I didn't have that 'blown away' feel like I got from the other movies when I 1st saw them, including the 1st AVP

Blooded
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Post 20 written Jan 20, 2008 at 17:17
My review is up: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=11084.msg243562#msg243562

I'll just give you the summary:

Pros & Cons:

+Predator Homeworld
+National Guard Sequence
+R-Rating (?)
+ADI finally made a decent Predator design.
+Visual Effects.

-Hack-for-hire Shane Salerno
-Terrible script, story, dialog, characters etc.
-Fairly bad acting.
-Homages very tiresome.
-Alien vs Predator Battle Scenes
-Predalien/Predalien Reproduction Method
-Dallas firing that Predator gun.
-Gore a little over the top.
-Pacing/Editing
-Very short movie.
-Small budget.
-Fox Marketing.

Rating: 1/5
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