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Post 21 written Jun 29, 2012 at 15:39
It's not really clear how the dark liquid can do so many things.

Well, yeah, but the answer to that question would probably have to be a scientific analysis of it, something the script writers wouldn't even begin to be able to accomplish. For all we can see it's a powerful DNA-altering mutagen, it'd be harder to get a more detailed answer than that I think

Here's a little something for you. You know Fifield, the weird mutant at the hanger? Well, he's alternative look for him that will be on the deleted scene of the movie:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8707/snap061.jpg

Notice how much more alien he looks? Presumably the same thing would have happened to Holloway if they hadn't have killed him.

Hm yes. While that still looks pretty silly, it's nowhere near as stupid and C-horrorish he looked in the finished movie. The above would have been a much better look imho.

Have you ever pondered about the Derelict? Afterall, it much have been down there for thousands, maybe millions of years? Well before the events in Prometheus take place. By this point they must have already created xenomorphs so where did they come from? Were they from the same base? Where was the Derelict headed? Still so many questions, so few answers.

Sure, but these are all questions specific to the Alien storyline and since Ridley stated even before this movie he wasn't going to go back there, I doubt we'll ever know now.

I get the impression you seem to be taking some sick twisted pride in that.

Well, I think Ridley Scott deserves a clear message that you can't just get away with chosing a way-sub-par script from an insanely incompetent script writer just by prettying things up with special effects. So from that perspective, if he ever DOES do a sequel, I hope Prometheus gets ranked as low as possible so that he'll actually take some notice of peoples general opinion of what things were horribly bad about it so he can make sure not to repeat the same mistake for the next one.

What about hope? Don't say things you don't mean. Trust me. A sequel is just what the doctor ordered. It will make things better. There's a lot of potential here.

I would describe it more like, there WAS a lot of potential in the concept but now it's at least to a big part permanently ruined. Because whatever P2 becomes, P1 is going to have to be its prequel and that means you can still never completely ignore the utter stupidity that is this movie.
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Post 22 written Oct 5, 2012 at 19:20
Well, I've got the Bluray now and I've seen the movie for a second time and I've watched all the bonus features.

There is no extended cut, just a few deleted scenes. I don't think they make a huge difference though some of them are quite different to what we see in the movie. The alternate opening with the elder engineer, the engineer actually talks when he awakes on the ship and fifield is a cgi creature when he attacks the hanger.

I'm still pretty disappointed. It's not a terrible movie but there's so many problems with the script.
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Post 23 written Oct 10, 2012 at 04:53
Wow, life on this forum??

Anyway, it seems the problem with the movie is that they had so many ideas that they seems to have changed them on the spot whilst filming, like how Fifield was a gangly CGI creature and then they changed him to Elephant-man zombie. It really feels like they had so many ideas, they really didn't know what they really wanted to use and it kind of became to much.

I haven't watched all the special features yet (job gets in the way) but from what I did see, so many ideas where presented, altered, dropped, brought back, changed again and so on.

I do wish they kept the talking Space Jockey scene, the theatrical version made him out to be just an angry silent, almost Frankenstein monster.

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Post 24 written Oct 11, 2012 at 17:46
I think it de-mystifies the engineers if we see them talking. Plus it's not as if we can understand what it is he was saying.

We never had a problem with Predators not talking.
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Post 25 written Oct 14, 2012 at 00:14
The talking did bother me a little, didn't like how it sounded like Jabba the Hutt, but I think they should have kept the whole fast pace of Weyland, Shaw and David throwing questions at the Enginer, the whole speech Weyland said about also being a god and now being equal, I should imagine it pissed off the space jockey.

Without that, it felt like "Oh now, Humans, DIE!"

The weird thing is that this kind of happened in an ALIENS comic from years ago, but it was a number of androids that try fighting a space jockey, after some communication error, or something, but the space jockey kills them all.

Never thought that I would see something similar in film.

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Post 26 written Oct 23, 2012 at 00:50
I've read a lot of varied reviews of Prometheus but damn yours is one of the most negative I've read. Not sure why. I scored it 3.5/5.

I agree with most of your points. Thing is the film did start of as a proper alien prequel written by a chap called Jon Spaihts. Lindelof came along and got rid of the alien life cycle, and changed a lot of stuff. Hence why there's so many unanswered questions.

I thought all the cast were good. Especially Shaw, David, Vickers and Janek.

Did you actually notice how similar the premise was to the first AvP? A lot of the scenes were very similar too.

I still think it's a far better film than the AvPs. Prometheus had a hell of a lot more visual style. The epicness alone is better than AvP. And don't even get me started on Requiem. Alien and Predator were duking it out in an american town for gods sake. How worse can it get?

Still sounds to me you don't like Prometheus because it's not an alien prequel.

I just saw Prometheus and this just pretty much sums up what I thought of it.
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Post 27 written Dec 3, 2012 at 20:04
Modified:  Dec 3, 2012 at 20:08
Well, I have finally seen Prometheus. In this country they made us wait very long for this movie to enter theatres so I figured that if I could wait that long then I could wait even longer and simply watch it when it comes out on DVD. Yesterday I saw it on the shelf with a low price printed on it so I bought it and here I am.

Right after the final scene my first impression was that I was very surprised how mediocre and bland that movie turned out. The way I see it is that Prometheus is not a bad movie (like both AvPs for example, especially AvP:R), but it's completely uninspiring, average and simply shallow.

Prometheus definitely has its good moments - mostly quite short atmospheric scenes - but the whole movie somehow fails to create the atmosphere I expected it to create and would enjoy. Also, unquestionably, it has great visual effects, in this area the movie is sometimes close to excellence.

The characters mostly failed to impress me, the same goes for the way the actors did their job. Again, it wasn't bad, but nothing special either, sometimes I'd even call it boring. The only obvious exception is the droid - that one was really good.

I'm disappointed because I expected more, but since some fragments were enjoyable I'll probably give it another try in the future.

If I was to rate this one I'd give it 5/10.
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Post 28 written Jan 31, 2013 at 18:56
Modified:  Jan 31, 2013 at 19:02
Ah, nice to see you've seen it and shared your thoughts, I'm sorry I didn't notice until now.

While it seems to have left you feeling more optimistic, I can partway say I more or less share your views on it. I have been able to see it a few more times now and *some* things I have learned to appreciate, but they almost invariably have to do with either the atmosphere created, or "eye candy" special effects.

In other words, the visual cinematography is what impresses about the movie. Almost every bit of dialogue however is in my opinion cringe-worthy, cheesy, unnatural and just horrible to endure. Whenever somebody speaks, I just want them to shut up as soon as possible

I can't agree with a 5/10 because I mostly base a movies value on how inspiring and engaging of a story it provides, and like you said, Prometheus mostly goes from being dull and boring to mostly annoying for me. It is definitely a difficult movie to rate though since the visuals are so excellent but the story and character portrayals fall so flat on their face.

EDIT:
I have to also recommend this video, "everything that's wrong with Prometheus in 4 minutes":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BWnTW4rL0U

Even though *some* of the things they point out are probably meant mostly as a joke, the vast majority of the points I definitely agree on
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Post 29 written Feb 9, 2013 at 21:49
Modified:  Feb 9, 2013 at 21:50
Thanks for the link.

I think though that the video is exaggerated, it points out obvious and serious flaws as well as not so important details which can be seen as funny or illogical, but let's face it - things like that are present in almost every movie. Our favourite classical pieces like Alien, Aliens or Predator are full of them too. Also if the creators of that video are that picky it's strange they did not focus enough on to what extent science has been raped in Prometheus, sometimes in quite perverse ways. It does not bother me because I'm just so used to seeing science treated very badly or loosely to say the least, but it's strange they did not focus on that aspect, maybe it's because they wanted to finish in less than 4 minutes.

Anyway, I definitely agree with you on the dialogues. That's also a big part of why I said the characters were uninspiring and dull.

Overall I'm just so surprised good old Ridley has delivered something like Prometheus...
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Post 30 written Jul 19, 2014 at 01:19
Modified:  Jul 19, 2014 at 01:20
This forum needs a little moar love! So, I am going to give my 2 cents about the movie.

Now, bear in mind, it was a while ago that I saw the movie, so most of it's comes from old memories.

Short version - It sucked.
Long version - I have seen better.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until they speak.

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