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Post 1 written Jun 13, 2012 at 08:44
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Well, since I've finally seen Prometheus, I thought I'd make a thread about it here as well. Sadly, I feel it was so bad that I can't even really work up the energy to say much about it as a review.

The movie had only one thing going for it, which was the impressive visual look and very good CG effects. The rest unfortunately sucked so very bad that no eye candy in the world could possibly save it in my opinion.

It's funny too because I thought I'd have issues with how it connects to Alien, or what they would do with the Jockey species, and even though I might not have liked everything I saw, I'm actually pretty OK with this part.

The things that made Prometheus bad for me, would have made any movie bad regardless of whether it's sci-fi, drama or pure action:

- Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad script writing.
- Horrible dialogue due to bad script writing.
- Poor acting (because what else can they do with such a horrible script)

I feel this movie insults the viewers intelligence more than anything, breaking all sorts of laws within both physics and biology not to mention the laws of sensible filmmaking.

I don't dislike this movie from an Alien/Predator fan perspective, I dislike it simply because it's a very bad film. Not only myself but the rest of the audience kept laughing where you clearly weren't supposed to (the "terrifying" scenes is what they were mostly laughing at) and only shaking their heads in disbelief at the comic relief type scenes that WERE meant to be funny.

In terms of where it ranks compared to the rest of the films in the franchise, I have to say I definitely would put it way after the first four Alien films and way after all three of the Predator films including the last one. The only thing I feel torn about is how to place it compared to the AvP films but I'm leaning towards at least the first one by Paul Anderson definitly looking like it's coming out ahead. With Requiem it's more of an even tie for last place, for different reasons.

I give it a score of 2 out of 10 stars, only for the visual effects and with a polite nod to Michael Fassbender who played David to an "acceptable" degree.
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Post 2 written Jun 13, 2012 at 09:02
Wow that is really disappointing.
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Post 3 written Jun 13, 2012 at 09:41
Wow that is really disappointing.

Yeah sorry, but it's the only way I can rate or describe it

Most of the "alien connection issues" (what they did to explain the poor Space Jockeys really kills a LOT of the foreign, alien mystique behind them, and there is absolutely no suspense or build-up before alien creatures attack, not to mention there ARE no scary alien creatures in this film either - only stupid looking ones that you could really care less what they are or how they came to be) can be forgiven though, if you're a somewhat tolerant fan who's just happy Ridley's getting back into the scene.

The truly big faults that I really can't forgive is just how horrible of a movie it is concerning almost all OTHER aspects of it besides the purely alien/sci-fi parts.

Whereas even films like Alien: Resurrection and the two AVP movies managed to whip up at least a little bit of tension to where you got curious where the plot was going, I have to say Prometheus was mostly just boring all the way through. I couldn't manage to care about really anything at all and felt mostly indifferent through the whole movie.

For me, the expression "meh!" really sums this film up quite well.
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Post 4 written Jun 13, 2012 at 19:40
Modified:  Jun 13, 2012 at 19:52
I've read a lot of varied reviews of Prometheus but damn yours is one of the most negative I've read. Not sure why. I scored it 3.5/5.

I agree with most of your points. Thing is the film did start of as a proper alien prequel written by a chap called Jon Spaihts. Lindelof came along and got rid of the alien life cycle, and changed a lot of stuff. Hence why there's so many unanswered questions.

I thought all the cast were good. Especially Shaw, David, Vickers and Janek.

Did you actually notice how similar the premise was to the first AvP? A lot of the scenes were very similar too.

I still think it's a far better film than the AvPs. Prometheus had a hell of a lot more visual style. The epicness alone is better than AvP. And don't even get me started on Requiem. Alien and Predator were duking it out in an american town for gods sake. How worse can it get?

Still sounds to me you don't like Prometheus because it's not an alien prequel.
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Post 5 written Jun 13, 2012 at 19:55
I feel this movie insults the viewers intelligence more than anything, breaking all sorts of laws within both physics and biology not to mention the laws of sensible filmmaking.

Isn't this true of the majority of movies nowadays? It seems to be commonplace to make up for in CG what the movie lacks in plot, dialogue and character development.

But it is disheartening to hear a review such as this. I know myself and a lot of old AVP buddies of mine had high hopes for Prometheus.

I will of course wait and watch the movie myself at some point, I always try to keep from being biased when seeing something new but from what you said in the other thread VenomX, about the one writer being from the show Lost.. well there was a reason I never watched that show.

Darkness, you said some of it was very similar to the first AVP? All I can say to that is ugh.. I actually prefer Requiem to AVP (thanks to many actors from shows that I like). The first AVP movie was such a rip-off and mutilation of the AVP Comic/Novel 'Prey' that it is painful for me to watch it. If Prometheus is similar... *shudders*.. Not a good thing in my book unfortunately.

Again though, when I get a chance, I will try to watch Prometheus as little unbiased as possible.. I hope...
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Post 6 written Jun 14, 2012 at 00:12
I thought all the cast were good. Especially Shaw, David, Vickers and Janek.

Yes they are all great actors, and as such, they act well. But if your task is to act ridiculously stupid, and you do it well, it still sinks the movie because the character portrayed acted ridiculously stupid, etc. They just weren't given anything to work with enough to draw out any real talent, except for maybe David.

Did you actually notice how similar the premise was to the first AvP? A lot of the scenes were very similar too.

Oh I noticed similiarities all over the fricken place from ALL the movies in the franchise. The ship briefing before the mission was a complete Aliens-ripoff even down to the mocking laughs from one of the crew ridiculing the concept being talked about. Honestly it felt like Lindelof (or whoever) just figured they'd rip off whatever bits seemed to work from all the other movies. How Ridley Scott could put his name on this, especially WITH all the blatant rips and similarities from other Alien films that he himself has showed on real respect for, is beyond my understanding.

Prometheus had a hell of a lot more visual style.

Yes, it's easily the best looking sci-fi film to date, but unfortunately that's in my opinion pretty much all it's got going for it, and as I'm not 10 years old I don't really care much for cool effects and realistic CG, I really do want a sensible plot and realistic characters that I can relate to as well.

The epicness alone is better than AvP. And don't even get me started on Requiem. Alien and Predator were duking it out in an american town for gods sake. How worse can it get?

Well, my answer to that question is Prometheus. For as un-memorable as the characters in Requiem were (I don't think I can name a single one today actually), they actually acted FAR more belieavable than the ones in Prometheus, not to mention the plot made a lot more sense as well.

Still sounds to me you don't like Prometheus because it's not an alien prequel.

No actually that had nothing at all to do with my disappointment. I'm actually among the few people who really didn't particularly WANT an alien prequel. I'd go so far as to say the creature I have the most interest and curiousity in in the whole franchise(s) today would definitely have to be the space jockey. I wanted a movie about them much more than anything connected to aliens or predators at this point.
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Post 7 written Jun 14, 2012 at 00:30
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Argh, I'm starting to find it annoying you cant stick names in quotes here I'll answer Raptors thoughts in a double post.

Isn't this true of the majority of movies nowadays? It seems to be commonplace to make up for in CG what the movie lacks in plot, dialogue and character development.

Yes I would have to say so, and Prometheus is actually THE textbook example of this, because never before have I seen a movie where the contrast between how great the CG is and how lacking the plot, dialogue and character development is this big. Really, it truly is laughable how incredibly stupid and unintelligent the characters act, and how poor the build-up of any fragments of their background stories are.

Darkness, you said some of it was very similar to the first AVP?

The thing that Prometheus would have most in common with the first AVP would be that they both have a fairly nice (well, in Prometheus case it's amazing) visual cinematic quality, whereas AvP:R looked a lot more campy in how it was filmed and edited.

Sadly, the first AVP has way, WAY better character development/behaviour and a much, MUCH more sensible plot and storyline. In my opinion they are almost as night and day in this regard. Speaking in terms of filmmaking generaly, AVP is actually a very solid movie compared to Prometheus.

If I were to describe how logical and sensible the characters behave in Prometheus, consider for a moment if the following hypothetical examples had happened in the original Alien:


...as soon as they touch down on LV-426, Ripley suddenly exclaims that the signal they've been hearing must be coming from a crashed donut shaped alien spacecraft nearby, with a single dead alien inside, because it's "what she chooses to believe it must be". They walk out there, find it, and her hunch is proven right.

...when Kane falls down into the cargo bay and finds the alien eggs, he instantly walks up to one of them, prys it open with his hands, yells "hellooooo, anybody home?" down into the egg. As an annoyed facehugger starts climbing out, he goes "yowza, why hello thar you sexy thing you" and starts stroking it sensually before it finally jumps up and impregnates him.

...as the alien has just jumped out of Kane and disappeared, captain Dallas suddenly feels the urge to enlighten the rest of the crew that this is probably an alien biological weapon that was manufactured by the dead guy in the ship on its home planet through genetic engineering and used to exterminate entire civilizations on planets they for some reason choose to attack. He just knows this somehow, no explanation given on how he came to the conclusion.

...at this point, Kane picks himself up from the table again, exclaims "f**k me that hurt", after which the rest of the crew shove a spunge in the hole in his chest, duct tape it shut, and as to illustrate the gravity of his injury, he now talks with a slight moan for the rest of the film.

...after captain Dallas has vanished after his little tour of the air ducts, the crew emotes no reaction whatsoever to this fact and simply goes back to the kitchen and starts preparing lunch. They don't even show indifference, it's as if there had never been a Dallas to begin with. Who cares, somebody just microwaved a pizza and it smells GOOD!

...before Lambert and Parker die, Lambert reveals to the audience that she is in fact Parkers half sister. This is revealed with serious music in a "Luke, I am your father" sort of way, but serves no real point whatsoever in the story. Parker has nothing to say or any emotion of any sort to offer, either. Then they both die.

...right as Ripley is opening the door to suck the Alien out of the spaceship, suddenly 4 more crew members you had previously never seen or heard of appear from a nearby corridor, also getting sucked out into space where they instantly perish before we ever so much as know their names. No explanation for this scene is given, but it was sure nice to be able to rack up the body count a little.


How then would you feel after watching Alien?

THIS is the sort of stuff I'm having issues with about Prometheus. It has absolutely nothing to do with how it relates to the storyline of the rest of the franchises, creature designs or anything even remotely "fan related".

The things that disappointed me in Prometheus, I would never forgive any director for putting in any film I paid money to go see, so why should I with Prometheus just because the director is called Ridley Scott and the film being connected to the Alien franchise?

Believe me when I say, not even the egg exploring scene above is really exaggerated - it truly is stuff as ridiculous as that that you will be faced with in Prometheus. Stuff that truly makes you cringe in your seat like no other film in the franchise(s) have before.

In my humble opinion, that is. But a good majority of the 1000+ reviews on IMDB seem to agree with me, even many who have given the film good scores (for visual appeal and eye candy) so I somehow don't think it's just me.
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Post 8 written Jun 14, 2012 at 21:58
Modified:  Jun 14, 2012 at 22:57
The ship briefing before the mission was a complete Aliens-ripoff even down to the mocking laughs from one of the crew ridiculing the concept being talked about.

That scene reminded me of Weyland addressing the crew in AVP.

Yes, it's easily the best looking sci-fi film to date, but unfortunately that's in my opinion pretty much all it's got going for it, and as I'm not 10 years old I don't really care much for cool effects and realistic CG, I really do want a sensible plot and realistic characters that I can relate to as well.

Did you see it in 3D?

I saw the movie in 2D. I'm not interested in 3d stuff.

Well, my answer to that question is Prometheus. For as un-memorable as the characters in Requiem were (I don't think I can name a single one today actually), they actually acted FAR more belieavable than the ones in Prometheus, not to mention the plot made a lot more sense as well.

I really think you need to go back and watch Requiem. You've forgotten just how bad it was. Okay, Requiem was easier to understand but come on, you're comparing a movie that takes place in a small colorado town to a far out planet. The damage REquiem did the Alien franchise is irreparable. What about the continuity? Dropping a nuclear bomb on a town? A little farfetched, no?

No actually that had nothing at all to do with my disappointment. I'm actually among the few people who really didn't particularly WANT an alien prequel. I'd go so far as to say the creature I have the most interest and curiousity in in the whole franchise(s) today would definitely have to be the space jockey. I wanted a movie about them much more than anything connected to aliens or predators at this point.

But it was? It's just the introduction of the Space Jockeys. In the sequel, we'll get to know much more about them and answers to the mysteries. I really think you'll like Prometheus if a sequel came out.

THIS is the sort of stuff I'm having issues with about Prometheus. It has absolutely nothing to do with how it relates to the storyline of the rest of the franchises, creature designs or anything even remotely "fan related".

Because it's not supposed to. It's the first of a planned trilogy of films exploring the Space Jockeys. It's a spinoff.

In my humble opinion, that is. But a good majority of the 1000+ reviews on IMDB seem to agree with me, even many who have given the film good scores (for visual appeal and eye candy) so I somehow don't think it's just me.

I wouldn't put much stock into imdb reviews. Have you even read the critique reviews? IGN? ComingSoon? Most are positive. It's currently at 73% on RottonTamotoes which is the fourth highest-rated movie in both franchises after Alien, Aliens and Predator. What does that tell you?

You're just not understanding the movie at all. I felt a little like this but after reading fan theories online, I understand it all a lot better now.
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Post 9 written Jun 16, 2012 at 07:42
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That scene reminded me of Weyland addressing the crew in AVP.

Heh, yeah, I guess I had forgotten there was a third example even. Everything in this movie felt like a rip-off of a rip-off. An android losing its head? I mean come on, was it really necessary to have that exact phenomenon AGAIN? Not to mention the head lays on the floor in exactly the same place it fell off after the entire ship crash-and-roll-around-on-its-side sequence.

Did you see it in 3D?

I saw the movie in 2D. I'm not interested in 3d stuff.

No no just regular 2D, I have yet to see a movie in 3D. It's just not something I'm interested in either. For me it wouldn't increase the value of a movie in any way, having to wear glasses through it would be too annoying as well.

I really think you need to go back and watch Requiem. You've forgotten just how bad it was. Okay, Requiem was easier to understand but come on, you're comparing a movie that takes place in a small colorado town to a far out planet. The damage REquiem did the Alien franchise is irreparable. What about the continuity? Dropping a nuclear bomb on a town? A little farfetched, no?

I did re-watch Requiem right before posting in this thread, actually, just to see how I felt about it compared to the Prometheus I just saw, and I find Requiem comes out ahead even despite it's campy look and choppy cutting etc. Prometheus is a better movie *technically* of course, speaking of impressive effects and visual eye candy, but Requiem tells the better story and does it in a much more convincing and engaging way.

But it was? It's just the introduction of the Space Jockeys. In the sequel, we'll get to know much more about them and answers to the mysteries. I really think you'll like Prometheus if a sequel came out.

I know it was, and even though I didn't particularly like making them less alien than they were before, I was fine with that. I'm fine with the flute, too. I just wanted to illustrate that none of the reasons I minded Prometheus was from a fan perspective, it was just as a general movie goer perspective. And no, it doesn't matter what's in a sequel or even in a longer directors cut version, nothing like that could save Prometheus. The bad stuff would stay bad regardless of what you add as filling around it.

Because it's not supposed to. It's the first of a planned trilogy of films exploring the Space Jockeys. It's a spinoff.

I think you misread me. I know all that, I wasn't saying I mind how it relates (or not) to the Alien films, I knew ahead of time it wouldn't and I was happy with that. I was saying the stuff I had a problem with are just logical errors within the film itself, erratic human behaviour or dumb wooden dialogue that would apply to any movie even outside of sci-fi. The really stupid and ridiculous parts aren't stupid or ridiculous because of "alien reasons", it's just pure silly and most importantly EXTREMELY uneducated script writing.

You'd have to wonder if whoever wrote that garbage even has the slightest clue what DNA is or how it even works, not to mention space travel, physics, biology, etc. The whole movie seems to have been written by one of those american "young earth creationists" who have just managed to somehow avoid learning absolutely anything about modern scientific discoveries. To accept Prometheus there's just too much factual knowledge you'd have to first ignore. You can only suspend disbelief to a point and Prometheus went way, WAY past that point for me, and according to IMDB reviews, most sci-fi-fans.

I wouldn't put much stock into imdb reviews. Have you even read the critique reviews? IGN? ComingSoon? Most are positive. It's currently at 73% on RottonTamotoes which is the fourth highest-rated movie in both franchises after Alien, Aliens and Predator. What does that tell you?

My point wasn't that a majority of opinions as a sheer number should say anything, I was saying if you READ those 500+ reviews that give prometheus 1-3 stars out of ten, you can't argue with any of their points as far as stuff that's just laughably stupid or just doesn't make sense in the movie.

You're just not understanding the movie at all. I felt a little like this but after reading fan theories online, I understand it all a lot better now.

No, a lot of people who defend this movie pull the "you just didn't understand it" line, but again, I had no problem understanding how the movie was supposed to work, or how the plot developed. This is, contrary to a lot of apparently easily impressed minds out there, NOT a deep movie that "makes you think". It didn't raise a single question I hadn't thought about over and over since I was about 10 years old, and I think the same goes for most science fiction fans.

A lot of people are asking "why did David do this?" or "why was the medi-pod set for males?" etc. I don't have any of those types of questions, there is no way I could be "educated" on the plot in a way that would raise the movies value because those aren't the things I had issues with, I understand David as a character and why he does what he does, and I understand things like the medi-pod. Heck, a lot of people have issues with this movie because they managed to miss it's another planet from Alien, and see a conflict with how the jockey "isn't in his seat" at the end of it. I'm not one of those people.

Did you even read my Alien examples in my post above? You can't forgive stuff like that just because somebody adds a few plot explanations. Unless Ridley adds a scene with a giant bong pipe hooked up to the hypersleep beds that is, and shows us that the entire crew was in fact high as a flag pole through the entire movie. That would actually explain a lot of the more ridiculously stupid human behaviours at least.

But really, this following snippet from an IMDB one-star review kinda says it all:

With all the money these film makers had to make this film one would think that they could hire a few graduate students at any local university for peanuts to check for scientific ignorance [...] I suppose it would be an entertaining film for someone who isn't bothered by scientific ignorance and is willing to forgive gaping plot holes that make no sense

Had they only had SOMEONE with anything even remotely resembling an actual scientific education checking the script and enlightened them to the fact that "Hey, you really can't do this", or, "this term doesn't really mean what you think it means", etc, a lot of the truly embarrassing flaws could have been avoided. Unfortunately, they didn't.
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Post 10 written Jun 16, 2012 at 09:45
And no, it doesn't matter what's in a sequel or even in a longer directors cut version, nothing like that could save Prometheus. The bad stuff would stay bad regardless of what you add as filling around it.

That's a bit harsh. We all felt this way about Alien 3 until the special edition came out and it made it so much better. There's plenty of movies of the years than have been improved by extended cuts.

I really don't know how you can place Requiem above Prometheus. I think you've taken leave of your senses. No amount of extended cuts could save that. The premise was ridiculous to start with. Prometheus does have a lot of potential. You just can't see it. And there will be 20mins of extra scenes in the extended cut according to Ridley Scott.

You'd have to wonder if whoever wrote that garbage even has the slightest clue what DNA is or how it even works, not to mention space travel, physics, biology, etc. The whole movie seems to have been written by one of those american "young earth creationists" who have just managed to somehow avoid learning absolutely anything about modern scientific discoveries. To accept Prometheus there's just too much factual knowledge you'd have to first ignore. You can only suspend disbelief to a point and Prometheus went way, WAY past that point for me, and according to IMDB reviews, most sci-fi-fans.

I forgot you were a world-class scientist. Do you really think the average Joe Sixpack cares whether something is 100% factual accurate? It's all fiction to start with. It doesn't have to be accurate.

Did you even read my Alien examples in my post above? You can't forgive stuff like that just because somebody adds a few plot explanations. Unless Ridley adds a scene with a giant bong pipe hooked up to the hypersleep beds that is, and shows us that the entire crew was in fact high as a flag pole through the entire movie. That would actually explain a lot of the more ridiculously stupid human behaviours at least.

I read them. You're completely exaggerating. I admit there's a few gaps in the story. They tried to do too much and didn't have enough time.
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